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• Reply to Tomasz Ludwiczak on Aligning End User and LIR Resource Transfers in the LIR Portal by Joop Wiss

“"Only the holder of the resources (in this case the sponsoring LIR) will be able to initiate the transfer to another party, by selecting the resources in the LIR portal." This approach, incase of transfers of LIR resources is correct, but for End User resources, the transfer initiation should be on the receiving LIR side. What will the transfer be like in practice? EndUser will contact the actual LIR that he want to terminate aggrement with? End User will submit to actual LIR a new contract that it has entered into with the new LIR? The LIR who maintains resources will have access to the contract concluded by EndUser with the new LIR? Transfer initiation should be on the LIR side of the receiving resource. Very often it happens that EndUser does not have a good contact with the current LIR, so it decides to change. Can you write something more about how the transfer process will look in practice step by step? Maybe my doubts will be dispelled.”

Dear Tomasz, Many thanks for your comment. You wonder what the transfer will be like in practice. Well, this is actually a situation which occurs all the time already. When an end user wants to transfer their resources to another party, the current sponsoring LIR submits this transfer request on their behalf. There are multiple scenario's possible: 1. End user wishes to transfer their resources to an LIR (either their current sponsoring LIR or another LIR). 2. End user wishes to transfer their resources to another End User and both End Users are sponsored by the same LIR. 3. End user wishes to transfer their resources to another End User who is sponsored by another LIR. Depending on which scenario applies, different documents will be needed: 1. We will need to see a Transfer Agreement and copies of recent registration documents of both parties. 2. We will need to see a Transfer Agreement, recent registration documents of both parties and an end user assignment agreement between the receiving end user and the same sponsoring LIR. 3. We will need to see a Transfer Agreement, recent registration documents of both parties and an end user assignment agreement between the receiving end user and the new sponsoring LIR. Please note that the current sponsoring LIR doesn't need to be the one to provide the new end user assignment agreement if there is a new sponsoring LIR involved. If there is an issue with the contractual privacy we will approach the new sponsoring LIR for the agreement. You mention that it very often happens that an end user does not have a good relation with their current sponsoring LIR. It is our experience that there is actually only a very small percentage where this plays a part in the transfers that we receive. In the rare cases that this happens, the end user is free to find a new sponsoring LIR first and then submit the transfer request via their new sponsoring LIR. I hope this answers your questions and makes the process more clear. Kind regards, -- Joop Wiss IPRA

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