Michael Oghia

This is really brilliant Vesna, and so heartwarming to see / read. Well done! And thank you for being here.

Annnd it's a wrap! We had a really successful campaign with some wonderful momentum behind our efforts. It's only just the start as well! In case you'd like to see a recap / the results of the campaign, check out our wrap-up post: https://climateaction.tech/blog/letsgreentheweb-campaign-impact/

Thank you for this excellent summary Mirjam! A few thoughts to share: 1. I really appreciate how you and Niall work so well as a team (e.g., listing yourselves as chair and vice chair on the slide). I appreciate this small detail, but it demonstrates humility and inclusion. I appreciate that so much. 2. "This topic might need more discussion among the community before next steps are taken." – This is most certainly an understatement! Any suggestions, comments, or recommendations are welcome. 3. SpatialChat is my new favorite platform – well done!

Congratulations Alun! The new layout also is a welcomed change, and I look forward to working with you/continuing to contribute to RIPE Labs. I really like the new RIPE Labs logo, too!.

Thanks for the shout-out to the BoF sessions Mirjam, I appreciate it! I look forward to hosting you and anyone else who may be interested in the sustainable ICT procurement session :-)

As an example of a European telecommunications/computing company that includes a commitment to human rights is Nokia. I just came across their human rights page, which addresses issues ranging from labour rights to supply chain transparency, and think they may be a good knowledge base for us to draw from. More information is available at: https://www.nokia.com/about-us/sustainability/conducting-our-business-with-integrity/human-rights/?1 They also just launched a podcast covering these issues as well: https://www.nokia.com/about-us/sustainability/episode-1-human-rights-due-diligence/?1 Note: I'm adding this here as a reminder going forward of potentially interested stakeholders to reach out to in the future.

“Thank you for this. I think that one of the key things to reducing e-waste is to keep devices in productive use longer. The smartphone cycle is largely being driven by planned obsolescence through lack of software updates. While few of us here are in the smartphone business, we see the same thing with CPE devices. No software updates means poor security, which pushes for replacement of the devices. More capable devices can sustain more updates, but cost more up-front, and there still very little relationship between price paid and number of years of supported software updates. At least, I believe this anecdotally. It would be nice if we had survey data to prove or disprove this belief. Perhaps RIPE along with some of the entities you mentioned might be able to do a confidential survey of ISPs in order to summarise the results? EN 303 645 and upcoming UK legislation requires that the support time for devices to be made clear at point of purchase. See https://www.iotsecurityfoundation.org/keep-software-updated/ for many references. (Yes, I'm the presenter for the webinar, the first of which was August 28) While the nic.cz Turris system is well supported, and very capable, it does not seem have had a lot of influence on big ISP purchasing. What kind of software support lifespans are ISPs able to contract? While many RIPE clueful people know about, deploy and contribute to openwrt, it does not seem to show up in a supported way in devices that I see either big or small ISPs deploying. The big ones don't seem to care. The small ones can't afford to take a risk. Years ago, it was the common that an ISP would buy some 12-port switching device for it's core, and two years later (when it was too slow), would migrate it from the core to an access aggregator, and then two years later, it might find a few more years service as internal lab equipment, or being used for a multi-tenant CPE. I learnt this as a switch (chip) designer. Is this still a thing? In my more recent (2014-era) hands-on ISP experience, this was no longer a thing, because the devices had all become far too specialized. Maybe SDN is changing this? Are there best practices in making purchase decisions that support this migration of equipment? {I'm reminded of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQjHJKNyoUE }”

Thank you so much for this thoughtful and, frankly, on point comment Michael. This is also exactly why I encourage the RIPE community to take a more explicit stance on the Right to Repair in Europe.

We received another comment from J. Scott Marcus on the Connect-WG list that I'd like to add here for both posterity's sake, but also to highlight the importance of seeing this issue as a holistic one (i.e., there is no single solution or panacea). It's a 2020 study Scott authored for the IMCO Committee of the European Parliament titled: “Promoting product longevity: How can the EU product safety and compliance framework help promote product durability and tackle planned obsolescence, foster the production of more sustainable products, and achieve more transparent supply chains for consumers?” View at: https://bit.ly/2Z1LEEG